Thread:Belthazar451/@comment-1807002-20160331191141/@comment-1807002-20160401011223

Actually yes, he did mention it was 'going out to pasture' in the thread he came to us to talk.

I am not dismissing I am asking for the community to decide 'first' (and then how), I said it so many times I feel my face is turning blue here. A half hearted/half thought out band-aids that won't last is not a fix, so I wish he stop calling it that. Community consensus is usually protocol in a situation like this. If you read some of the links one says that a bad admin is (and I feel BunsenH breaks most of these to an extent):

"Common reasons why a bureaucrat needs to go:


 * They suppress opinions they don’t like
 * They refuse to talk about what they could be doing better
 * They set unreasonable rules for other users but don’t stick to the rules themselves
 * They keep reverting perfectly good edits
 * They create a hostile, unproductive atmosphere on the wikia"


 * Here is another good source to consider

As for the tables, it is a templates, templates are going to happen in wikis unless the community consensus decide not too (admins can't have the final say in that consensus rules, unless the community doesn't want to push it that far). Telling source editors they cannot use templates sounds like where this is going again. And the table visual makes is not that great for source edits, the templates I made cleans it up for source mode incredibly (it cuts down on like oodles of unnecessary coding junk on the page), but if the consensus doesn't want them fine.

Now if we could please decided this as a community first (forum thread should be suffice I think and invite everyone especially our regular editors) and not admins vs. source mode editors. What ever is decided I'll accommodate as best I can. But where this is going it sounds like you want to scare away templates users and source users. If you deny a community vote on this and your community doesn't want to take this further fine, I'll admit defeat and go cause I am not going to speak for the whole community here. I just want to be apart of the community discussion if it is fair and follows Wiki protocols/rules.

Anyways I really prefer not to argue/debate this anymore. How about ask your community's feedback on this and go with the consensus - like how Wiki protocol should go.